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hello everybody

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welcome back to the disclosure team

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channel thank you to everybody watching

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this live now i see quite a few of you

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in the live chat i really appreciate you

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being here and to those watching this

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after the fact thank you so much and

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finally hello to those listening to this

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on the anomalous podcast network

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for anybody that's new uh to the channel

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description

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but let's not waste any more time we are

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here to speak to a gentleman who has

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done a lot for this subject and i am

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just honored to be able to to sit down

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and speak with him so without further

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ado please let me welcome mr john

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alexander

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hello john how's it going

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pretty good you

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i'm really good thank you so much for

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agreeing to talk to me it really means a

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lot so thank you

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all right

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so john i just um wanted to start off um

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i've been watching a few interviews

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you've done in the past recently

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and i keep coming across this statement

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that you you've said a few times that

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ufos are real but the phenomenon is more

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complex than we can imagine and we're

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not asking the right question

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are you able to expand on that a bit for

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us if you don't mind

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uh well of course um first of all a

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usual follow-up question is usually

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what's the right question and

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unfortunately i don't have a good answer

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for that

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when i'm doing my presentations i have a

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that i always start with and it shows

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ufos ufos near-death experiences remote

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viewing

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uh spontaneous healing

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even cryptozoology

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just a wide wide range certainly

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cyclokinesis we've done a lot of work

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and my point there is that

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the ufo phenomena all of these i believe

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are interrelated and consciousness is a

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key piece uh to that

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now i also start with a ufo by asking a

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question that says what do you mean

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and by that i address you know i got

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little balls of light

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sometimes floating around the room we've

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got hard craft miles across

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and thousands and thousands of

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variations in between

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what are you talking about it's not that

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simple i mean everybody thinks of a

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little nuts and bolts you know hard crap

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zipping around that would be that's the

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easy part

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but when you start dealing with people

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who say i'm communicating i

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experiences with them they tell me when

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to show up

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as you may know in my book uh well do

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you know chris bledsoe

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familiar with that case well that's a

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and the reason was we had gone down and

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i'd interviewed chris had him on tape

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for hours and going like you know this

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is really really strange

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so we went down uh to his house

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and we were spent several days with him

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and his family great family and all of

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it was kind of late in the afternoon we

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got down there and you've been showing

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around and where the initial incident

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had occurred there's a lot of

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dramatic things that happened there

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uh so then we went back up the hill

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and it was now just getting dark and my

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back of the car talking and he and i are

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and he's describing well here's where

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this happened and i saw the craft over

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and within just a few seconds this thing

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the things that i saw you know so i

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can't i know

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i always go by uh first-hand experience

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and uh you know that was real and for me

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now if you know anything about the case

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this thing went on and on and one of the

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biggies uh was that uh

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after you got home this is after the the

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first incident

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all right he had gotten home and he saw

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something peeking on the window and he

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it starts chasing him and so he runs at

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not where he lives now but the yard was

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about five acres it was pretty big

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right and so he's running down and

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entity catches up with him and chris

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oops you got me you know that and they

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said you don't understand

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we're here to help

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about that time chris jr shows up and

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energy disappears

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um you fast forward to the next day

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and it's around noon and he suddenly

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says gee

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i haven't taken my medicine and he had

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had serious crohn's disease for 12 years

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at that time

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and has not taken another pill since

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of course there's other healings that

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take place and whatnot so

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like i say it was my first hand

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experience with that um that was the

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second time ever that i had personally

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seen something i was studying you know

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quite a bit of it but

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that's one where he actually saw the

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damn thing happen right in front of me

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wow that's that's amazing and do you

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still speak to chris christopher bledsoe

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to this day did you stay in touch

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in fact he is sending me

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you know at least every week i get

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videos that he's taking because he goes

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outside

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and this gets back to what's a ufo

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because he's seeing balls you know

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floating around yeah

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and he believes communicating with him

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there's another individual now coming

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out of the scene and where they're

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talking simultaneously and they're quite

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phenomenal case

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yeah indeed indeed and you mentioned

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there that that was the second time

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you'd seen something are you able to

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tell us what the first one was by any

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chance oh very very minor um i was up in

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washington up at uh jim gilliland's

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place i don't know if you're familiar

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with him but that's

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an interesting case as well and what had

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was i spent

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sending several nights out there and i

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happened to have third gen

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night vision

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equipment

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and uh everybody else was gone and so i

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was out in the field watching and seeing

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these things go over and whatnot

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and saw the same company said that's a

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trajectory

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not quite right for a satellite

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but it was coming and then all of a

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sudden it stops

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satellites don't stop

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that's incredible

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uh so listen john if it's okay with you

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i'd like to take it back a few years to

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to where your interest really came from

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with regards to the both the ufo

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phenomena and uh the paranormal do you

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know if you could just sort of take us

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back to where it all began that would be

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i went to a very unusual grade school

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uh we were part of what has now become

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the university of wisconsin lacrosse and

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it was a teacher's college and

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they had a bunch of kids there we were

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the guinea pigs that the student

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teachers would learn how to teach

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because of that we happen to have a

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or a broadcast system that was inside

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that broadcast you know to the entire

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1947 is actually giving a talk

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about ufos it's just as they were

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beginning you know what's uh

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beginning to come into public awareness

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right and so that's the first uh first

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act of recollection that i have was ten

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wow yeah i think it does go back that

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far and it's kind of hit and miss

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as i like to tell people it's not like i

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had an epiphany like some people do

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where they have a sudden shift in

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is kind of more like steering an

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aircraft carrier where you're seeing

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slight changes

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right yeah yeah

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and let's move forward into your your

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military career

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did you experience anything

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again paranormal or related to the ufo

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phenomenon while you were serving

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i think you know that i created what we

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call the advanced theoretical physics

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project and that was after

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doing some other things you know it had

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minor

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personal experiences like in vietnam and

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things of that nature that others report

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uh but uh

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no my career was very unusual and i

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would not recommend it for people who

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want to you know make a military career

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go down there i was

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extraordinarily lucky as to you know

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who i came in contact with and how

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particularly after i got into the

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pentagon i was already a lieutenant

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colonel uh by that time

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and um

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one of the key things that happened

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was that

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i was invited to meet with the deputy

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secretary of defense

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and anybody who knows anything about the

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pentagon knows that lieutenant colonels

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do not meet with defect death alone

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but that is what happened and we were i

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was assigned as an inspector army

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inspector general

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there are bottles in the pentagon and

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that's where the my office was

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uh i mean we just it's like more like

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can say off it's more like stanchions

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the colonel the pentagon you're in the

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munchkin level for sure

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but anyway uh so we had a very

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interesting conversation and he was

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about this how that came about it's a

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little extraordinary as well but

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so he's asking questions about

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you know interest paranormal things and

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says well who do you work for and all of

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that and i said well i'm down here

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and as this was about i met him at about

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uh 12 30

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and went until one and i went back to my

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office said well that was interesting i

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wonder

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and at 4 25

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the chief of staff

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of the ig shop came in and said tomorrow

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morning you don't work here anymore

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yeah

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that fast

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okay

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and so let's say the rest is history

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initially i worked with max thurman who

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later became the vice chief of staff of

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the army and he's the guy who ran

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southcom during the invasion of panama

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and all that

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who was personally interested and then

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then moved to um

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under bert subilbine who was in the

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commanding general of intelligence and

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security command and that's where the rv

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programs and we did a lot of other stuff

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i want to be clear i was not involved in

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uh what became known as stargate

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but we were doing lots of other kind of

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unusual things at the time and became

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cognizant of what they were doing

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right right and you mentioned remote

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viewing there and i mean it's a subject

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that i'm you know i'm quite nuts and

327
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bolts ufo with my backgrounds but i'm

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trying to learn more about

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the the different aspects with the

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psychological and the consciousness so

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can you give us a bit of a description

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about

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the remote viewing of when the program

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started and your involvement and some of

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the key players in it

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well

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hey i was not

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directly involved until urban

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international association of remote

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viewing studies and i was a founding

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board member

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of that

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many of these people are personal

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friends of course they'll know about joe

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mcmonagle and paul smith and

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some others i won't name

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um but certainly became personal friends

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with engel swann who was one of the key

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people of course hal put off and russ

350
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targ who were the guys at sri who got

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that going some will know kit green who

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was

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interface

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with that or one of them there was

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another

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ken grass who was actually out as a ctor

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at uh stanford

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um

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[Music]

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so

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yeah it's uh i forgot exactly when the

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start in the 70s had been moving forward

363
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it has various names

364
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over time

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my shorthand is we're talking about

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psychic spying

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uh yes it works sometimes

368
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i get the trouble with the community

369
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because some of them want to know it's

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100 percent anchored

371
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it doesn't doesn't work that well but

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sometimes it works

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and dealing with the scientific

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community they go well

375
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you know what's the theoretical basis uh

376
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for this

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and i go well

378
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we don't really have a good theoretical

379
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basis but we had an operational

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capability

381
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right and they were doing things for

382
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various clients

383
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in the community it is a whole host of

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books

385
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that are out describing many of the

386
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things that were done

387
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yeah and was a lot of the research

388
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for improving like soldiers on the

389
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battlefield was that the main you know

390
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focus at first or were there other

391
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not at all

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and but one of the things we point out

393
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is the psychic experience is you know

394
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they happen in general public well they

395
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happen in the military which is actually

396
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part of the general public as well

397
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so when you get into and i've talked to

398
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battlefield experiences and my personal

399
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one that

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happened

401
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probably life-saving uh if not limb

402
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saving

403
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but um

404
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uh there are hosts of house of anecdotal

405
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stories of people who see things who

406
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sense danger there was something

407
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well known as the uh point man syndrome

408
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and what troops know you know the point

409
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man is the guy who's leading you down

410
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the trails where wherever you're going

411
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and

412
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they tend to learn that some people if

413
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they were out there you were safe and

414
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others were likely more likely to bumble

415
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into something

416
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so there were people who were more

417
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sensitive to impending danger

418
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not not well studied but kind of

419
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anecdotally at least very well known

420
00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:40,800
yeah you just mentioned there this one

421
00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:43,040
time that it actually saved your life

422
00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:44,480
now i'm aware of this

423
00:16:48,069 --> 00:16:46,480
this incident but if you happy to share

424
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it i'd love for other people to hear

425
00:16:51,749 --> 00:16:50,800
about it if you don't mind yeah well we

426
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were

427
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it was obviously in vietnam and out on a

428
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patrol

429
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and uh we got into an area that uh it

430
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was a contested area now

431
00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:05,679
we knew this the whole area well enough

432
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that we could call fire from you know

433
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without looking at a map we knew exactly

434
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where we were we knew where there were

435
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etc

436
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and so anyway we got into an area and

437
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i'm starting to this it's getting

438
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sensitive and starting to back up

439
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and uh all of a sudden we stopped when

440
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somebody's yelling mean mean mean

441
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and

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a

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um

444
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and also i believe dowsing was used in

445
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vietnam as well and you able to talk

446
00:18:03,669 --> 00:18:01,280
about any success or the success levels

447
00:18:04,470 --> 00:18:03,679
of actually using dowsing

448
00:18:05,669 --> 00:18:04,480
uh

449
00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:05,679
actually

450
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not very well the problem here again is

451
00:18:12,789 --> 00:18:11,360
that it's very anecdotal

452
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no they did

453
00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:15,440
at seaboard harvelik was the head of the

454
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american dowsers

455
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association

456
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and he happened to live near fort

457
00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:23,520
belvoir and they actually

458
00:18:31,029 --> 00:18:26,720
set up a course down there

459
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and taught people how to do dowsing

460
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uh

461
00:18:35,909 --> 00:18:33,679
remember one of the things we were

462
00:18:38,789 --> 00:18:35,919
always looking for is these underground

463
00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:38,799
either tunnels bunkers or caches where

464
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various sorts of things would be stored

465
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and uh so they had

466
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built at belvoir a place and taught

467
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soldiers how to go in

468
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as far as i know

469
00:18:55,029 --> 00:18:52,559
unfortunately there was no real

470
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:55,039
follow-up as to yes these people

471
00:18:59,110 --> 00:18:57,760
deployed and you know did they find

472
00:19:02,830 --> 00:18:59,120
things but

473
00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:02,840
it was not a methodical method

474
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:05,919
methodological process

475
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:07,440
where they

476
00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:09,760
you know collected data and came back

477
00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:11,760
and said you know here's the efficacy of

478
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:17,909
but i mean there's lots of people but in

479
00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:19,200
addition

480
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we had lots of people who came into the

481
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military who had had thousands

482
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:24,559
experience

483
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at home

484
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and just did it and it was an

485
00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:30,080
application

486
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:32,960
again and not really recorded

487
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:36,559
unfortunately because it did happen

488
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:37,520
more

489
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but yeah

490
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and were there any other areas of the

491
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kind of um psychological

492
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um areas of research or the paranormal

493
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:50,160
that you the military were interested in

494
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:52,080
you know over the years that that you

495
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:53,360
can talk about

496
00:19:55,510 --> 00:19:54,160
well

497
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first of all

498
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:57,440
you know i've got a slide

499
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that i use

500
00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:00,720
all the time in the briefing it says the

501
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pentagon says

502
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:07,360
nothing it's a big stone building

503
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:10,000
so when you ask what does the military

504
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:11,760
do

505
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:14,320
that's not really so much yet as people

506
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in the military who have these

507
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:18,559
experiences and

508
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:22,799
do these things um so again like the

509
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:28,070
vast members of the military have some

510
00:20:34,510 --> 00:20:31,440
kind of psychic experiences

511
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throughout their careers

512
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unfortunately

513
00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:39,679
being a very conservative community

514
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:42,320
uh you've got some other people who

515
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don't want to hear about those things as

516
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well

517
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and they come from a very materialistic

518
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paradigm

519
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that says

520
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you know

521
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we're not going to deal with weirdness

522
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:57,760
and don't want that out there so

523
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and you do have and admittedly we ran

524
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into the situation

525
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:04,320
you know

526
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:11,909
don't start sneezing here

527
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:13,200
but anyway

528
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uh but uh the uh conservative christian

529
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,480
group that says

530
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:20,240
you can do that but it's the work of the

531
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devil

532
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:24,559
right and uh that was a very real

533
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:31,270
it was an argument that was put up many

534
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:34,480
times by not so much skeptics but uh

535
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:37,120
people who did not want any

536
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:38,000
uh

537
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,080
engagement in the area and some of these

538
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:42,960
were very senior folks

539
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:45,360
right yeah yeah um now you're a big

540
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:47,360
advocate for for the use of non-lethal

541
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:48,880
weapons um

542
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:50,960
um

543
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:53,200
is this physical weaponry as well as

544
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,000
sort of psychological warfare let's say

545
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:58,720
not psychological warfare at all

546
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:00,880
right i mean that bird or a psychic

547
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:03,280
warfare any of that that's just

548
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:06,159
not involved what we're talking about

549
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:09,120
uh are very physical weapons from simple

550
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:11,760
things that you know about the uk you've

551
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,919
talked about rubber bullets uh all the

552
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:15,360
time you remember

553
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:16,559
all of that

554
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,400
but uh pepper sprays and tasers and

555
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:22,080
all those things that are popularly

556
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:23,360
known

557
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:25,760
all the way up to the high end what we

558
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:28,240
call strategic incapacitation where

559
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:30,480
we're going after a target set like a

560
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:32,080
nation state

561
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:34,640
and bringing that down and what you're

562
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:37,760
doing is degrading the infrastructure

563
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:40,320
but without doing it without bombing

564
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:42,880
them into oblivion i can give you a

565
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,200
specific example area

566
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:47,440
electricity is something you go after

567
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,600
all the time

568
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:51,679
now if you bomb

569
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generation capabilities on that the long

570
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,039
lead time in recovery

571
00:23:02,549 --> 00:22:59,200
is months to years

572
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,559
and so with many people or situations

573
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,480
what you want to do is to bring it down

574
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:06,799
temporarily but you want to restore the

575
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:10,000
facilities as quickly as possible

576
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:12,880
after that so that's the kind because

577
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,480
you weren't looking for a secondary

578
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:16,240
tertiary casualty

579
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:17,760
you want to be able to control the

580
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:20,799
situation at least temporarily

581
00:23:26,029 --> 00:23:22,159
yeah but

582
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,039
most of the emphasis clearly is on the

583
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,080
anti-personnel system we're gonna do

584
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:30,480
riots and things like that but it

585
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:33,840
it crosses a much broader spectrum

586
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:36,080
yeah absolutely um just for everybody

587
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:37,760
who's asking questions uh in the live

588
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,679
chat i will save all the questions i've

589
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:41,200
got them in a little file here to the

590
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,799
side and i will ask them towards the end

591
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,159
of the interview

592
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:46,080
so thank you um

593
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:47,760
john now we can't have this conversation

594
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:49,279
without talking about nids and

595
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:52,000
skinwalker ranch um it's a fascinating

596
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,640
subject that still to this day is being

597
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:56,400
researched and looked at and the

598
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:58,159
phenomenal things that that happened

599
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,840
there are you able to take us back to

600
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,440
when you were first introduced you know

601
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:03,679
to robert bigelow and and and became a

602
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:07,750
well

603
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:12,400
yeah that's another serendipitous

604
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,120
set of experiences that it is no we

605
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:17,760
first met very very briefly at a

606
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,159
conference that john mack

607
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:22,640
was having at mit

608
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:25,600
on the abduction phenomenon

609
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,159
what i did not know at the time is that

610
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:32,480
literally a couple of weeks before his

611
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:33,679
son

612
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:35,440
had died

613
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:39,840
um and then we fast forward a year or so

614
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:43,440
uh i was having a number of people in

615
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:45,520
some of whom we would recognize hal was

616
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:48,559
there and some others at my house and i

617
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,279
was it now i'm out of the military by

618
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,520
the way i'm working at los alamos

619
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,440
national laboratory that's where the

620
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:57,440
non-lethal connection is

621
00:25:02,230 --> 00:24:58,799
right um

622
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:02,240
but i lived in the santa fe uh and drove

623
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:04,880
up the hill every day and um

624
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:07,279
sunday morning and we had been talking

625
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:09,440
for a couple of days on a variety of

626
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,720
projects

627
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,960
and out of the blue

628
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:15,200
i get a phone call where the people who

629
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:16,640
just gathered were getting ready to

630
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:19,919
drive back to albuquerque for flights

631
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,720
and

632
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:22,400
it was uh

633
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:23,919
robert bigelow

634
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:26,559
and says hi me i've heard something

635
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:29,279
about you do you have any projects that

636
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:31,600
might need funding

637
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:32,880
i said well

638
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:35,039
funny you should mention it but standing

639
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,279
in my kitchen right now

640
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:39,840
you know are these groups of folks

641
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:42,400
and uh anyway this went back and forth

642
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,000
he had later flown over to santa fe and

643
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,960
we talked and met with some interest in

644
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:50,640
uh taking the

645
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:52,720
santa fe institute

646
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:55,120
uh which was dealing with chaos theory

647
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:56,960
and things like that and he thought

648
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:58,880
about buying him to go like

649
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:02,159
murray gulman who was a nobel physicist

650
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:02,960
who

651
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:05,200
was kind of strong characters this is

652
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:07,760
not give you a good match so he decided

653
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:11,440
to uh create neds and i was just leaving

654
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,480
retiring from los alamos the second

655
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:16,400
formal retirement

656
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,840
and from that um

657
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,679
came over here and

658
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,760
set up ned's and they say the rest is

659
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:25,279
history

660
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:29,679
absolutely i mean did you how much time

661
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:31,360
did you get to spend on the ranch you

662
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,720
know while the investigations were

663
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:34,400
happening and did you experience

664
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:37,039
anything while you were there

665
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:40,640
um well first of all i was with bob the

666
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:43,520
day that he actually bought the ranch

667
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:45,440
right he went back to the hotel and i

668
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:48,240
spent a night up on the uh north

669
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:49,360
mesa

670
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,640
along there

671
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,480
the main thing i experienced there with

672
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:54,320
a lot of mosquitoes

673
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:57,919
uh which came in in the evening

674
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:00,320
um i have been or something but not

675
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:03,440
nearly as much time as uh like colin

676
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:06,720
kelleher or eric davis actually spent

677
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:09,360
george annette for the ones who spent

678
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,760
far more time on the ranch i was up

679
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,520
several times

680
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:15,840
um the short answer

681
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:17,200
no

682
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:18,080
uh

683
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,559
from filming they're doing as you know

684
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:24,720
the skinwalker

685
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:27,600
series 3 is coming out and i assume i

686
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:30,159
will appear in that

687
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,669
uh no i will say that we did find that

688
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:39,600
there were some people who were more

689
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:43,360
sensitive this phenomena than others

690
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,720
and there's a brand new book out called

691
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,480
the walkers

692
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:50,559
at the pentagon

693
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:53,840
uh there's written by colin and

694
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:55,520
george knapp

695
00:28:03,590 --> 00:27:59,039
and one other person from dia whom i do

696
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:03,600
not know have never met him

697
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,240
yeah a whole series

698
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:08,799
of very very

699
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,240
unusual

700
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:13,440
events even probably more dramatic

701
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:16,559
what was more significant about that

702
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,360
and column and i have discussed this uh

703
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:21,200
over time

704
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,159
some other incidents may happen in south

705
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:26,960
america and africa and places like that

706
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:28,159
but um

707
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:29,840
you know the question is did you bring

708
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:33,919
anything home uh apparently these guys

709
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:37,200
many of them did have very significant

710
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:40,080
phenomena follow them home

711
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:41,679
yeah that does seem to be a big key

712
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:44,799
component the the hitchhiker phenomena

713
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:46,000
which i think does

714
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,679
from what we hear continue to this day

715
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:49,919
to some degree with what we saw in the

716
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,960
in the news in the series uh that we see

717
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,640
from brandon fugle

718
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,919
um

719
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,080
so do you still speak to colin kelleher

720
00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:00,240
and people like that and get sort of

721
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,910
not since yesterday

722
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,840
[Laughter]

723
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:06,000
i mean that man you know

724
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:08,080
i'd love to have a chat with him so uh

725
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:10,240
yeah maybe in the future

726
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:11,120
um

727
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:13,520
he still works with bob

728
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:15,760
you know they they have now formed the

729
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:17,679
bigelow institute of consciousness

730
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:19,360
studies you're probably familiar with

731
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:20,480
the uh

732
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:21,840
uh

733
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:27,600
essay contest that just went on so he um

734
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:33,590
the journalist for the society of

735
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:36,399
scientific exploration with like a guest

736
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:39,440
essay on the uh

737
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:43,840
how the bix com essay contest came about

738
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:46,559
i i turned them down but suggested that

739
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,880
column might be the

740
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:51,360
the best person for it and so he's

741
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,279
exploring that but he

742
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:55,279
does go back and check with bob before

743
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:58,320
doing anything like this

744
00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:00,000
yeah that was a great competition and

745
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:01,919
with it with a worthy winner in uh

746
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:03,279
jeffrey mishlov

747
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:04,720
i think it was uh

748
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:06,159
really well yeah just to get

749
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:07,919
progesterous to live just a couple of

750
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,679
miles from where i'm at now he's now

751
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:11,760
moved over to albuquerque

752
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,360
right but uh

753
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:15,840
father in here

754
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:18,159
he had a phenomenal advantage though

755
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,200
because he had been working

756
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:23,360
for decades on something called new uh

757
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:28,559
thinking aloud uh a l l o w e d

758
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,360
and uh that uh the people he had

759
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:33,440
interviewed is just a phenomenal list

760
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:35,679
and he's now got a whole program up

761
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:38,399
called new thinking aloud

762
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,279
and

763
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:41,200
probably

764
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:42,799
i'm sure the folks in your audience

765
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,320
ought to look that up because there's

766
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,320
just a whole host

767
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:48,240
of interviews that he's been able to

768
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:50,960
conduct and i've done several with him

769
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:53,440
as well both here and

770
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:56,320
when we're visiting in albuquerque

771
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,760
yeah it is it's a fascinating

772
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:59,039
conversation all the different

773
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,720
interviews he does he's had colin

774
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:02,159
kelleher on i watched that one a couple

775
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,240
of days ago i will add the link into the

776
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:06,720
description for everybody after this the

777
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:08,159
interview is finished

778
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:09,120
um

779
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:10,720
so yeah that was fascinating thank you

780
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:13,120
john let's move up to more modern times

781
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,279
and 2017 and

782
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:17,039
and the kind of wave of

783
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,799
you know the way the ufo community is

784
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,720
going what were your uh what were your

785
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:22,880
thoughts and views when 2017 and the new

786
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:28,310
well

787
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,120
i only had a short link i was not

788
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:34,080
involved in the osap program or any of

789
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:35,360
those

790
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:36,320
um

791
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:39,360
and of course in the meantime i had put

792
00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:42,640
out ufos missed conspiracies and

793
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:44,840
realities

794
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,480
um

795
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:48,720
i guess i've been if we carry it forward

796
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:51,279
i i was not surprised

797
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,240
uh

798
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,240
and i've actually looked this up and if

799
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:56,320
you look at take the end of the blue

800
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:57,200
book

801
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:01,919
you moved forward with the government

802
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:04,000
was not involved now

803
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:05,440
there's

804
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:08,480
over 600

805
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:10,559
individuals who have become flag

806
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,519
officers generals or admirals

807
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:15,600
since that time

808
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:19,120
assuming they're like the general public

809
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:21,519
probably somewhere around 60 some of

810
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:24,240
them maybe more have had personal

811
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:26,080
experiences

812
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:29,519
so my question is not why

813
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:32,320
does this occur it's why haven't there

814
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:33,679
been more

815
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,720
why isn't there more interest as opposed

816
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,320
to less

817
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,799
one of the things that i had done with

818
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:42,880
the program that i ran i ended up

819
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,360
talking to the director deputy director

820
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:48,000
of those three letter agencies you think

821
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:49,760
you know about

822
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,039
uh but one of them that was key that um

823
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,440
it's an agency that would have to be

824
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:57,120
involved in

825
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,960
you know if you hear about

826
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:01,200
teams going out and all of that

827
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:02,799
especially

828
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:05,120
and what they said was

829
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:06,720
hey we don't do that there's no

830
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:08,720
requirement to do it

831
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:12,320
b i'll tell you about the ones i saw

832
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:15,760
so here's the guy head of an agency who

833
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:18,000
had had personal experience many years

834
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,000
before he said he'd seen things flying

835
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:22,080
around he says he knew

836
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,600
exceeded the capability of anything that

837
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:27,120
that we had

838
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,480
and and yet that does not translate to

839
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:32,880
we'll do something about it

840
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,519
and i do argue a long time there's a

841
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,279
huge difference

842
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:39,600
between individual interest and

843
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:42,159
institutional responsibility

844
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,240
so that's just because people are

845
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:46,880
interested does not mean and you see

846
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:49,679
this extrapolated frequently

847
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,720
that

848
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:52,799
you know they're there for got this guy

849
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,080
does this so therefore that

850
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:58,080
doesn't follow

851
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:59,679
yeah absolutely but do you think there

852
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:00,720
are

853
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:03,200
projects or black projects or special

854
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:04,960
access programs where

855
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:07,679
they do know something they do know that

856
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,079
these craft are

857
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,560
not from here

858
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:14,879
well that's barely been

859
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:17,440
publicly acknowledged i mean

860
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:18,720
most of us

861
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:21,440
when i put my group together

862
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,200
i had representatives from all of

863
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:25,280
different services from the intelligence

864
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:26,800
community from

865
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,079
uh aerospace uh that was doing it and

866
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:32,480
they all had to have top secret and sei

867
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:34,960
level clearances

868
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:37,599
everybody knew the folklore

869
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:39,679
the bottom line was everybody's saying i

870
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:41,520
thought you had that you know no don't

871
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:43,280
you actually doing this i thought you

872
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:44,720
know it would be here

873
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:47,679
and my bottom line that i still maintain

874
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:49,839
is but for most of the time nobody's

875
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:51,359
minding the store

876
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,079
it's far more anecdotal it doesn't mean

877
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:56,320
that things didn't happen you've heard

878
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:00,000
of monster and you know the huge

879
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:02,800
faded giant and bob salas and that did

880
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,720
they study it yes

881
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:06,720
did it go in it

882
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:08,800
and this is one of the key things but

883
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:12,079
drop back to the remote viewing program

884
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:12,960
uh

885
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:15,200
you know that was what we call a program

886
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,480
or record

887
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:18,640
meaning it was

888
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:21,680
constituted it was fully funded

889
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,880
yes it was

890
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:24,960
you know behind the doors but

891
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:27,680
you know it was there and it was formal

892
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,200
as opposed to a host of things like

893
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,880
things we did

894
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,880
that were not formalized

895
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:36,560
and uh

896
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,000
yeah

897
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,480
and what i have found

898
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,560
across the board is you have people who

899
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:44,640
have these experiences get interested

900
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:46,880
they'll go so far

901
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,920
and the thing you can muck about in

902
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:51,760
when you understand funding and all of

903
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:54,240
that there's so much of

904
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:56,800
discretionary funds that are available

905
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:59,599
but as you get higher and higher you get

906
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,640
more

907
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:02,480
uh scrutiny

908
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:05,520
and more people start fighting over it

909
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:08,880
uh my key story there is i'd end up with

910
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:11,200
jim abramson who was then

911
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:12,400
running

912
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:15,680
star wars the sdi program

913
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:16,560
and

914
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:19,119
uh at that time we had decided to

915
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,280
transition from

916
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,000
okay we're doing this ad hoc let's

917
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:26,880
you know try to formalize it and his

918
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:29,200
response was quite telling and

919
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:30,720
appropriate

920
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:32,880
and i think a warning for some of the

921
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:35,200
things that are coming out now

922
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,359
and that was

923
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:39,200
hey i'm kind of

924
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,599
it says i'm an old fighter pilot then

925
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:43,760
you kind of got my attention here after

926
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:46,400
we didn't initially we started this with

927
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,920
an interview uh and i i had opened it up

928
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,839
and we're going around the room and all

929
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:53,520
of a sudden you know wait who are you

930
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:55,760
guys really you know what

931
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:59,040
he did not know the topic before we met

932
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:01,520
and went back and we finally talked

933
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,160
about a whole host of things

934
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:06,800
and he got my attention said well we'd

935
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:09,359
like to transition and we go

936
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:12,480
look i'm doing some hairy stuff now

937
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,119
and he had a five billion dollar budget

938
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:17,359
wow that which was the biggest

939
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:20,720
defense project at that time and it was

940
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:23,119
if i get caught doing this

941
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,240
you know they're going to nail my budget

942
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:28,800
and he did get cut a billion he says i

943
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:30,880
just can't can't touch this but he said

944
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:33,200
now if you can tell me what to look for

945
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,800
because we're going to be monitoring

946
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:36,480
more of space

947
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:38,800
and one of our concerns of course was

948
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:40,400
that you could accidentally trigger

949
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:41,440
something

950
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:47,760
to soviet this is the bad old days

951
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:49,839
you know you might trigger something

952
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:51,680
accidentally you really ought to be able

953
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:54,240
to tell the difference between a ufo

954
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:55,839
event and

955
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:58,400
you know a potential incursion

956
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:01,119
um but anyway it turned us down

957
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:03,680
specifically because

958
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,800
they would not be seen as stewards of

959
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:08,960
you know public funds

960
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:11,440
and i've been attacked by uh in

961
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,320
scientific american and uh

962
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:16,480
bullet atomic scientists and all that

963
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,839
personally and the same thing should not

964
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:21,520
be because

965
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:24,320
you have beliefs in these areas

966
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:28,079
therefore you can't be a good manager

967
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:29,839
yeah wow

968
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:32,079
it happens yeah um so let's bring it

969
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:34,240
back up to last year 2021 and the

970
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:37,200
release of the um the preliminary

971
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:39,760
assessment from the uap task force

972
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:41,119
what were your thoughts when you first

973
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,280
saw that document because it was a split

974
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:44,880
you know a lot of people

975
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:46,640
just thought it was nothing and other

976
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:48,880
people felt like there was quite a lot

977
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:50,720
of tells in there

978
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,040
i um

979
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:55,280
but i have given a couple of briefings

980
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:57,280
on it and i have a picture there of a

981
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:00,000
big nothing burger

982
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:02,480
basically all of the information that

983
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,200
was certainly in the public variety was

984
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:07,359
publicly known

985
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,680
uh having said so

986
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:11,839
i mean it's still interesting that you

987
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,119
did get official confirmation yay barely

988
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:17,359
is real so that

989
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:18,560
is a

990
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:20,000
step forward

991
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:21,200
um

992
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,400
now where i get into a lot of trouble is

993
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:26,240
when we say where should you go now i do

994
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,560
think the military has a role

995
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,200
and they bring to the table censor

996
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:34,320
systems that are not available you know

997
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:36,960
to the general public and whatnot

998
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,920
having said that i think that the issue

999
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:41,680
is so broad if you get back to the

1000
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:44,400
consciousness relation

1001
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:46,880
other than direct intervention with

1002
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,680
military craft and things of that nature

1003
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:52,079
i'm not convinced the government has a

1004
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:55,280
role on the broader scope

1005
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,400
now

1006
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:58,560
i'll take a step ahead and tell you what

1007
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:00,320
i do think

1008
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:03,760
ought to happen i my approach to this is

1009
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,880
something like the human genome project

1010
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:08,880
they're very familiar with that terribly

1011
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:12,800
complex and was resolved

1012
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:15,280
you know under budget and ahead of

1013
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:16,400
schedule

1014
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,119
but the approach was

1015
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:21,359
that you have many

1016
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,160
countries are involved to have various

1017
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:26,480
universities bringing together the best

1018
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:27,760
and the brightest

1019
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:30,560
and most importantly data sharing

1020
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,720
and the biggest problem that i see from

1021
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,960
a military perspective

1022
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,160
so far

1023
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:38,640
and i understand why because knowledge

1024
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,079
is power

1025
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:42,400
and so you have the lack of data sharing

1026
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:45,599
which is the antithesis of what's needed

1027
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,880
to address these issues

1028
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:50,640
yeah absolutely i mean we've just seen

1029
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,119
the the latest um national defense

1030
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:55,280
authorization act passed with

1031
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,599
uh the amendments in it to set up this

1032
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,160
new uap office which does feature

1033
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:02,160
sharing with allies you know like the

1034
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:04,400
five eyes community do you think that

1035
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:05,440
that may

1036
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,240
still turn out to be to go nowhere or do

1037
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,240
you have any kind of hope for that

1038
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:12,880
project or that amendment let's say

1039
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:13,760
yeah

1040
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:17,839
very mixed uh well again it gets back to

1041
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:18,720
you know

1042
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:21,119
i think serious data is going to be

1043
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:22,960
withheld

1044
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:24,079
uh

1045
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:25,839
you just don't have

1046
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:29,760
oversight the other is a key

1047
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:32,480
issue and i don't know who but who

1048
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:34,640
is involved

1049
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:37,040
and one of the problems we've had

1050
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:40,400
in all stating all of these phenomena

1051
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:43,280
is they want to bring in supervisors and

1052
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:45,760
boards that are unbiased

1053
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,240
meaning they're not unbiased they

1054
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:50,160
generally don't know anything about the

1055
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:51,200
topic

1056
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,200
and you know if i'm going to go in for

1057
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:55,760
brain surgery i do not want a surgeon

1058
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,839
who's unbiased i want somebody who

1059
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,240
really knows the topic

1060
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:02,640
and have interest uh but you gotta

1061
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,440
remember we're dealing with micro belief

1062
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,920
structures here

1063
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,520
because

1064
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:11,040
mass majority of the military and

1065
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:13,440
scientific community comes up

1066
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,119
in a system that you know purely

1067
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:19,200
mechanistic uh

1068
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:20,640
the way the world

1069
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:24,000
works and it doesn't

1070
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:26,079
but you're looking at you know these

1071
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:29,119
terribly complex subjects and should you

1072
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,960
be involved so you bring in a belief

1073
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:32,480
system that says

1074
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,160
it can't be therefore it isn't

1075
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,319
i'll i'll also mention because it may

1076
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:40,319
come up and that's i come down against

1077
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:43,040
the eth or the extraterrestrial

1078
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,000
hypothesis yeah that is the direction

1079
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:49,040
they will go because if not here then

1080
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:51,520
from where and what

1081
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:54,400
and my point here is there have been

1082
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,119
reports of interactions between humans

1083
00:43:02,230 --> 00:42:59,760
and sandy of non-human beings

1084
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,240
throughout the entirety of human history

1085
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:04,960
and in all cultures and that

1086
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:07,839
so it's obviously what's going on is far

1087
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:09,920
far broader than little grey guys from

1088
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:12,160
zeta meticulite

1089
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,599
yeah so you do you think you would put

1090
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,000
that hypothesis i mean we have so many

1091
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,480
different possibilities with the crypto

1092
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:20,240
terrestrial the ultra-terrestrial

1093
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:21,760
inter-dimensional

1094
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,119
so do you would you put the

1095
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:25,440
extraterrestrial hypotheses underneath

1096
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:26,800
those other ones

1097
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:30,160
oh it's one now if the question is

1098
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:31,839
is there intelligent life in the

1099
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,720
universe someplace the answer is yes

1100
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:36,800
and you don't have the belief system

1101
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,599
about that that's pure math just the

1102
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:41,520
numbers of billions of

1103
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,640
inhabitable uh planets that that exist

1104
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:47,040
out there where would they be in the

1105
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:50,560
process of evolution and whatnot

1106
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:53,520
yeah the probability of it is definitely

1107
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:54,880
yes

1108
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,520
now doesn't fit in all of those others

1109
00:44:02,309 --> 00:43:59,920
and that's where i get into

1110
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:02,319
you know what we're looking at is far

1111
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:05,520
more complex than we can imagine

1112
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:06,319
yeah

1113
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:14,240
we can't answer at the moment i mean

1114
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:15,839
maybe there are people out there who do

1115
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,640
know

1116
00:44:20,829 --> 00:44:18,160
more than we hear but

1117
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:20,839
you know we don't oh i certainly don't

1118
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,960
well if you drop back to the the essay

1119
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:26,160
contest

1120
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:27,599
right uh

1121
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:29,599
and i know what you know jeff went in i

1122
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:32,560
was talking to you know raymond moody

1123
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:35,200
who's the guy who kind of created the

1124
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,720
whole field where he's in my mentor uh

1125
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,400
the ones who came up with near-death

1126
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,400
experiences and stuff back we were

1127
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,400
talking in the 70s

1128
00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:46,720
right and i was talking to raymond about

1129
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:49,839
it and he actually does courses in uh

1130
00:44:53,550 --> 00:44:51,200
nonsense

1131
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:53,560
and his point here is

1132
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,200
aristotelian logic is probably incapable

1133
00:45:02,829 --> 00:44:59,359
of solving the kinds of problems that

1134
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:06,069
right that's absolutely fascinating that

1135
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:06,800
i've

1136
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:09,920
but i'm going to take some time just to

1137
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:11,920
jump to some of the questions we've had

1138
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:14,720
uh in the live chat here um so apologies

1139
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:17,359
john if any of these kind of do kind of

1140
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:18,880
cover some of what we've talked about

1141
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,599
but i'll read them anyway um so walker

1142
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:23,760
dale and thank you for the five dollars

1143
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,640
says

1144
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,319
i'm just wondering does john think we

1145
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,400
will see government confirmation of a

1146
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:30,560
non-human intelligence presence here on

1147
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,309
no

1148
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:38,640
um

1149
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:39,839
now

1150
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:48,309
i guess there's a gallup poll that was

1151
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,119
out asking about intelligent life in the

1152
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:53,760
universe and what people thought

1153
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,480
and one of the things they found was 20

1154
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:58,880
of the global population

1155
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,040
believed that e.t was here

1156
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:03,760
i mean so you're walking among us and

1157
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:06,800
all that so that's part of it

1158
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,200
uh but i do i think that there's going

1159
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:11,760
to be a formal recognition of anything

1160
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:14,800
like that and again i i don't think it's

1161
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:17,599
e.t just walking around you've got too

1162
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,359
many other

1163
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,599
possibilities that you've

1164
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:23,520
eliminated

1165
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,480
but i don't see the government

1166
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,400
there's no upside

1167
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:30,800
for them doing that

1168
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:32,800
fair enough yeah yeah

1169
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:34,400
and particularly if you're again get

1170
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,079
back to funding

1171
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,160
if you get off into those areas people

1172
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,240
are going to say what are you doing with

1173
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,880
public funds sure

1174
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:45,200
yeah absolutely um the next question

1175
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:47,359
comes from that ufo lady and thank you

1176
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:49,920
for your kind donation uh can john relay

1177
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:51,839
his experience and thoughts regarding

1178
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:53,599
the lady

1179
00:46:57,310 --> 00:46:56,960
bledsoe encounter yeah i'm sorry joe

1180
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:57,320
um

1181
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,349
obviously i've heard about it it is

1182
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:05,280
something that chris talks about and

1183
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:08,480
having seen the lady he talks about now

1184
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:10,319
the orbs that are there that he

1185
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:12,240
communicates with

1186
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,480
and that they are sentient beings

1187
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:16,079
communicating it

1188
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,599
um but beyond what chris has said not

1189
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,839
really i this is not something i have

1190
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:22,880
personally

1191
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:24,880
experienced

1192
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,160
but i have come to trust his

1193
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:30,559
discussion of these things like i say

1194
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:32,480
after having the

1195
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:39,030
very interesting

1196
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,720
excellent of course one of the things

1197
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:42,640
you mentioned is that there's a lot of

1198
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:45,680
healing that's associated with it used

1199
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:47,680
to be that he had a tree uh in the

1200
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:50,240
backyard very unusual one that had

1201
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:54,000
burned literally from the inside out and

1202
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:55,680
when it caught fire

1203
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:56,720
uh

1204
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,200
and people would send stuff when i was

1205
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,200
there with all kinds of clothing the

1206
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:03,760
people had sent in that wanted healing

1207
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:06,160
and then it would be exposed and then

1208
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:10,630
well

1209
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,920
the clothing would then hold healing

1210
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:13,680
powers is that what you're saying yeah

1211
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:15,680
that's what it was

1212
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:18,400
yeah yeah basically yes

1213
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:21,040
people thought that that was true

1214
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:22,720
i mean

1215
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:25,119
the whole notion of you know religious

1216
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:27,680
artifacts that have healing power has

1217
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,800
been

1218
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,920
uh

1219
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,000
around for centuries

1220
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,800
of course yeah absolutely

1221
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:37,040
and the next one comes from adam reed he

1222
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,880
says i don't have any questions for mr

1223
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:40,640
alexander would just

1224
00:48:48,309 --> 00:48:42,240
would just love you to let him know that

1225
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:49,910
um

1226
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,559
the next one is from alm alien lives

1227
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:54,160
matter he asks

1228
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:56,079
john comments on robert dean

1229
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:58,720
command sergeant major of nato ufo

1230
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:01,760
report he spoke on

1231
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,280
i'm not really i don't really understand

1232
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:05,599
the question there can john comment on

1233
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:07,200
robert dean

1234
00:49:11,830 --> 00:49:10,240
ufo report does that ring any bells

1235
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:11,840
it does um

1236
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:14,079
[Music]

1237
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:17,119
i try to be kind but i guess [\h__\h]

1238
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:18,960
would be my uh

1239
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:21,680
technical explanation hey say it like it

1240
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,559
is don't hold back

1241
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:26,880
nope that's fair enough

1242
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:28,079
um well i

1243
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,960
maybe

1244
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:30,880
one of the things he mentioned i was in

1245
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:33,280
a course at harvard

1246
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,359
uh for senior executives and uh we had

1247
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:39,359
working groups and it turns out one of

1248
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:42,559
the individual in my working groups

1249
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:46,559
went on to be the deputy commander

1250
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,079
at nato

1251
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:50,720
where dean says this information came

1252
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:51,680
from

1253
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:52,880
um

1254
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:56,000
so i happened to be uh in bonds and

1255
00:50:02,069 --> 00:49:58,720
stopped in and talked to him about this

1256
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,079
i mean they already knew i was crazy

1257
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:04,400
by the way the reason

1258
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:07,200
the deputy commander is always an

1259
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:08,480
american

1260
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,520
has to do with nuclear weapons

1261
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:13,520
because you can't you have people other

1262
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:14,800
ones in

1263
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:16,960
nato but they do not have command of

1264
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,520
nuclear systems so that that's why

1265
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:20,960
this guy was

1266
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:22,400
always there

1267
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:23,680
but asked him

1268
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,359
about this specifically

1269
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:29,760
if it's there it certainly did not

1270
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,559
rise up to the senior leadership

1271
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,720
right okay

1272
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:36,480
excellent and the next one comes from

1273
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,720
jay allen he says we know from the skin

1274
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,480
walkers at the pentacon book that joe

1275
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:42,960
mcmonagle did remote view the skinwalker

1276
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:45,440
property officially but we don't have

1277
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,559
access to that data any comments

1278
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,800
well those are all pro what do you mean

1279
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:52,800
officially

1280
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:55,920
i guess as part of a program or or

1281
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:58,640
it may be uh oh there's a lot of

1282
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:00,319
information

1283
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:04,720
uh most of it remember is privately held

1284
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:06,160
and uh

1285
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:08,240
that's been one of the problems with

1286
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,839
dealing with some of these areas where

1287
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:11,599
you have the government you move it to a

1288
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:14,640
contractor who is not subject to the

1289
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,680
foia

1290
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:17,760
the freedom of information act

1291
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,910
now one of the things bob does not do is

1292
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:25,680
talk a lot

1293
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,640
that would have been in his domain

1294
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:30,480
absolutely in the mid was it would that

1295
00:51:34,829 --> 00:51:32,000
have been the next days with mcmahon no

1296
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:34,839
no this is this was after

1297
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:36,800
although

1298
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:41,750
i believe it's both

1299
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,800
i believe

1300
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:44,079
because

1301
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:45,920
i was in touch with joe and i think we

1302
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:48,079
did have him do stuff

1303
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:49,520
before that

1304
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:52,240
uh got one of the great remote viewers

1305
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:54,319
out there

1306
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,440
right yeah

1307
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:57,119
um

1308
00:52:01,990 --> 00:51:58,720
shardle thank you so much for your

1309
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:02,000
donation um he says roswell 1947

1310
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,160
hopkinsville 55 and kecksburg 65. all

1311
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:08,160
cases with claims of military retrieval

1312
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:10,640
of crust ufos stored in wright-patterson

1313
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,880
air force base are you aware of such

1314
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:14,720
claims

1315
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:18,400
um

1316
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:22,480
a roswell happened b in my opinion it's

1317
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:25,680
not e.t it was us

1318
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:28,559
and certainly was recovered

1319
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:31,040
uh and heavy-handed

1320
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:34,480
uh i mentioned i was at los alamos

1321
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:38,000
and part of it was i was there in the

1322
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:40,960
hazel o'leary's truth and reconciliation

1323
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:41,920
where

1324
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,160
they were talking about this

1325
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,559
and all of the interviews i had seen

1326
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,880
several of them started with it was a

1327
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:50,640
different time

1328
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:53,359
and certainly at the end of the uh world

1329
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:56,240
war ii it was a different time our

1330
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:58,319
notion of what was going on

1331
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,000
i mean i'm gonna are old enough to

1332
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:02,400
remember duck and cover and things like

1333
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:04,400
that when we thought the soviets were

1334
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:06,960
gonna send nuclear weapons over some of

1335
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:09,520
them in planes they didn't have or

1336
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:12,640
missiles that didn't exist at that time

1337
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:15,920
and everybody was worried about it so

1338
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:18,880
the ability of the government to be very

1339
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:22,319
heavy-handed at that time was very real

1340
00:53:26,829 --> 00:53:25,359
and i think that was true i

1341
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:26,839
have seen stuff on

1342
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:31,200
kecksburg i'm not as convinced

1343
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:32,720
on that

1344
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:34,640
but i will say

1345
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:36,960
when you get to roswell no matter what

1346
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:40,160
you do or how you slice that the data

1347
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:44,240
never all fit a simple

1348
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:45,599
answer

1349
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:46,559
yeah

1350
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,680
i understand

1351
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:49,760
um finally this last question comes from

1352
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:51,680
my good friend lara who funnily enough

1353
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:54,480
her husband actually works at los alamos

1354
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,280
um

1355
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:57,599
lara says does mr alexander believe that

1356
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:00,000
los alamos national labs is still doing

1357
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:02,240
research on the various phenomena and if

1358
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,640
so can you speak about it

1359
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:06,000
uh hey

1360
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,680
i retired from there in 95

1361
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:11,520
back a couple times

1362
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:14,480
uh as far as i know they were never well

1363
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:16,240
that's not true

1364
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:17,280
uh

1365
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:19,680
a few minor

1366
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,240
projects for instance a

1367
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,240
remote viewing program i think we're

1368
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:26,319
looking at uh

1369
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:29,839
magneto encephalography i.e you know but

1370
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:32,480
that was a contract work

1371
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:35,520
as opposed to at the laboratory

1372
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:38,000
had a number of friends i mean obviously

1373
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:43,910
many of them with personal interests but

1374
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:46,079
that generally does not chance again

1375
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:48,640
does not translate into institutional

1376
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:51,599
interest or responsibility

1377
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:53,119
right right

1378
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,720
i've got to ask this one because this

1379
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:56,480
kind of made me smile inside megan t

1380
00:55:03,510 --> 00:54:58,880
with the five dollar donation says is he

1381
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:05,589
are you jonathan axelrod you know the

1382
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:06,720
mysterious

1383
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:07,599
no

1384
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:12,799
about him but uh

1385
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:15,760
definitely is it's not me

1386
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:18,559
okay thank you there you go megan um and

1387
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,319
finally john i i've got one last

1388
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,480
question for you um

1389
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:24,000
and i asked this to a lot of my guests

1390
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:27,280
is do you have a favorite ufo uh case

1391
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:28,799
whether it be something that you think

1392
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,119
is genuinely an anomalous case or just a

1393
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:33,359
story that is so out there that it just

1394
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:36,160
sticks in your mind

1395
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,359
well

1396
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:39,760
obviously my personal favorite is blood

1397
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:41,040
cell

1398
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:43,520
because the personal uh interactions

1399
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:45,119
with that

1400
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:47,040
but again there are so many and you can

1401
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:49,440
never get into can you top this i mean

1402
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:52,240
it's there are so many phenomenal

1403
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:54,559
uh cases that are out there

1404
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:57,839
uh what i do say is that when you want

1405
00:56:01,510 --> 00:56:00,000
one with highest credibility i put

1406
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:01,520
rentalsome

1407
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:02,640
right there

1408
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:05,040
uh of course i've been with chuck hall

1409
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:08,400
to know a number of the people involved

1410
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:09,680
the

1411
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:12,960
physical evidence that's supportive

1412
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:14,319
of the case

1413
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,319
and it's one that over time has improved

1414
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:20,160
and more and more

1415
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:22,640
highly credible witnesses

1416
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:24,880
that uh have come forward

1417
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:27,599
so when i get asked about you know what

1418
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:30,000
are the credible cases that's certainly

1419
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,160
the one that

1420
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,640
that i would lead with frankly

1421
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,400
excellent great answer i like that one

1422
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:38,400
as a big case for me as well being from

1423
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:40,160
the uk myself

1424
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:43,599
fantastic so much that remember

1425
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you

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certainly did not know that bent waters

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was a nuclear storage facility most

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forward one at the time which is kind of

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interesting and critical to the uh

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sorry and chuck when he talks about it

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you know

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um

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you know was he debriefed on it and that

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the answer was no his cute story was i

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had contacted him

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um

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from los alamos

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and i was going to be in washington the

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business and agreed to talk to him

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and what he later said is gee i thought

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this was somebody coming to finally

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debrief him on the case

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i was there just to learn more

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information

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no that's brilliant

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yeah i hope

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yeah and you as you say it does keep

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evolving over the years and and that's

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so fascinating absolutely well listen

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john we're just just shy of the hour

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mark but i just wanted to say thank you

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so much it's been a pleasure and an

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honor to speak to you um so any any

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final words before we let you go and

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enjoy your day

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no i

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appreciate it

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thank you ever so much you take care

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well guys thank you to everybody that's

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here in the live chat for the questions

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the donations

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um i really appreciate it and thank you

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so much to to john alexander as well and

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i will be back on thursday with dr david

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clarke to discuss project condyne di55

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and ufos in the uk

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so um go follow me on my social medias

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look out for all of the information